How much do you reveal about your models?

[SgtHulka]

My understanding is:

1) You don't have to tell your opponent who your lieutenant is.
2) You don't have to tell your opponent if you have any airborned deployment models until you deploy them.
3) You don't have to tell your opponent what models are under camo markers.
4) You don't have to tell your opponent if you have any models using hidden deployment.
5) But you have to be actively forthcoming about everything else.

Let's say I have a Malignos with monofiliment mines. He comes out of hidden deployment and places the mine. The mine, at that point, is under a camouflage marker, but the Malignos is not. Do I have to tell my opponent that the Malignos is armed with monofiliment mines, giving away the threat? I'd assume the answer is "yes" because of 5) above but I want to make sure my assumption is correct.

[Pierzasty]

Yes, you have to tell him it's the monomine variant. Which can be an advantage in itself

[SgtHulka]

Fair enough! Thanks, as always, for the quick reply.

[sectR]

I guess the monofilament weaponry type is an active cause of fear, you could mind **** your opponent by letting him know about dangerous threats while you are doing some other devious plan :-)

[Elfenlied]

What about "Chain of Command"? Do you need to tell your opponent which model has it?

[IJW Wartrader]

It's a skill that the model has, so yes you have to say.

CoC is one of the rare skills when you don't have to say when it's being used, though.

On the subject of Mines, don't forget that the Minelayer skill is also public knowledge, as is the number of remaining Mines...

[Pierzasty]

What? The # of mines too? And I used it by taking a Minelayer and deploying a second model instead of the mine...
In my defense, everyone just "assumed" the mine was used.

[SgtHulka]

Hijacking my own thread:

Some enterprising do-it-yourselfer should come up with a nice flippable mine counter that's camo on one side and mines on the other. Unless you're minelaying at the beginning of the game from camouflaged deployment you're never fooling anyone with mines, anyway, the camouflage is just a handy speedbump against getting them shot. MAS style tokens that are flippable would be both attractive and handy. I usually have at least two camouflaged minelayers these days, and having six counters instead of twelve to keep track of would be nice.

I suppose you could just glue MAS counters back to back.

[IJW Wartrader]

Then they'd be double the thickness and spoil the surprise with Minelayer.

Also, you'd be surprised how often both players forget which camo marker is which...

[Pierzasty]

Or just fill the normal base with green stuff or other putty and glue the mine symbol to the underside. It's not like revealed mines spend a lot of time revealed

[Mob of Blondes]

Does "everything else" include "points already on the table"? The enemy can calculate, as you have to report what is what, but I wonder what's the normal take, time saving courtesy or make people do the maths.

[Pierzasty]

Make them do the maths. Otherwise you're just bending over to satisfy the opponent. A popular argument I've heard lately (from a whole 2 people I don't like to play anyway) is that you should tell your opponent what weapon loadout of a particular unit can be the LT, because otherwise you're holding up the game while THEY check it online/in the army list/whatever. Funny thing is, the game I heard it first was the game where the guy refused to tell me the stats of his unit, because "I can check the rulebook" So just let them count.

[Magno]

Then they'd be double the thickness and spoil the surprise with Minelayer.

Also, you'd be surprised how often both players forget which camo marker is which...

Yeah this is an issue especially with camo heavy lists. At events, I will insist that that players note down which camo marker is which.
Sometimes it feels like you're being a rules douche.

[IJW Wartrader]

A popular argument I've heard lately (from a whole 2 people I don't like to play anyway) is that you should tell your opponent what weapon loadout of a particular unit can be the LT

If they ask, sure. Otherwise you're just giving trivia-buffs an in-game advantage for a skill that has nothing to do with the game.

[MarcoSkoll]

Does "everything else" include "points already on the table"? The enemy can calculate, as you have to report what is what, but I wonder what's the normal take, time saving courtesy or make people do the maths.

You don't have to tell them, but I personally would - at least approximately.

It is public knowledge, short of being added up. And contrary to what Pierzasty said, I'd say you're both responsible for holding up the game if they insist on looking/adding it up and you're up on your high horse refusing to tell. You can both end the delay, yet neither of you are choosing to do so.

However, you'd be the one being judgemental of your opponent's mental maths and memory. Not everyone is enough of a nerd to be able to work out how many points they're seeing on the fly.

[VisOne]

However, you'd be the one being judgemental of your opponent's mental maths and memory. Not everyone is enough of a nerd to be able to work out how many points they're seeing on the fly.

I have trouble doing the maths with my own list in front of me in my own head to know if I'm in retreat let alone doing my enemies on the fly as well. If I ask my opponent if they are in retreat an honest answer of yes or no is expected. Not a 5 min accountancy statement of how much each model costs on the table.

Infinity should be played by ladies and gents not rule lawyers and douche bags. They later have plenty of other systems to play and their welcome to them.

[Lampyridae]

Or just fill the normal base with green stuff or other putty and glue the mine symbol to the underside. It's not like revealed mines spend a lot of time revealed

Or just glue the printed mine to the bottom of the camo marker. Just make sure you have mine and non-mine versions of the counter handy (otherwise opponent learns that camo markers 3 and 4= mines)