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Re: Szczecin, Poland - Fenix battlegroup topic

by Stiopa » December 17th, 2014, 2:35 am

Ok, guys. The Rules of Engagement for Saturday's event:

ARMY COMPOSITION:

1) Games are played using all and only N3 rulebook rules. Only units and armies from that book are allowed.
2) Proxies are allowed. As everything will be quite new take care to choose models that will be easily identified - HI for HI, heavy weapon for heavy weapon and so on.
3) Mercenaries are allowed with no restrictions. Lets have fun.

GAME ORGANIZATION:

1) Matches will begin at 13:30
2) There will be three rounds, each using a scenario from N3 rulebook:
- Round 1 - Annihilation
- Round 2 - The Armory
- Round 3 - Supremacy
3) Army size in every scenario changed to 200 pts.
4) In first scenario Main Objectives for having/killing between 251 and 300 Army Points are ignored.
5) Everyone is allowed to have two army lists, written down in a clear way. You choose which to use after pairings. No list adjusting during the event.
6) First round pairings will be selected randomly, subsequent rounds on a Objective Point basis. Victory Points break any ties.
7) In case any player won't be able to attend one or more of the rounds, pairings will be adjusted on the available player basis.
8) If we'll have an odd number of players for any round I'll pass the round and act as a judge if needed (I hope it won't be necessary, I want to catch some games too :P )

FINAL NOTES:

There will be no prize other then the warm feeling of satisfaction after a well played game. The aim is to have fun and learn new rules :)

If you have any questions or would like to add something to the above - let me know.

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Now, about Wednesday. Anybody free and wanting to play first N3 game? N3 units and rules only, 300 pts, YAMS.
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Re: Szczecin, Poland - Fenix battlegroup topic

by ewok40k » December 17th, 2014, 9:35 am

sorry, busy today :(
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Re: Szczecin, Poland - Fenix battlegroup topic

by Szorstki Fred » December 17th, 2014, 6:54 pm

I'll try to make it, will send update tomorrow evening.
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Re: Szczecin, Poland - Fenix battlegroup topic

by Radek » December 18th, 2014, 3:46 pm

Btw somebody from Warmachine forum wants to sell those models

- Garuda tactbot combi rifle
- Daikini tactbot x3
- Naga sniper
- Naga hacker
- Deva spitfire
- Deva combi rifle/nanopulser
- Asura combi rifle/nanopulser
- Marut multi HMG/nanopulser


http://www.warmachina.com.pl/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=2961
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Re: Szczecin, Poland - Fenix battlegroup topic

by Stiopa » December 18th, 2014, 3:55 pm

Nice catch, if someone else wants to start Aleph. I could use a Marut, but otherwise got most of those.
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Re: Szczecin, Poland - Fenix battlegroup topic

by Szorstki Fred » December 19th, 2014, 8:37 am

I'll show up too, didn't have time yet to set up a list, but will put something together.
Really pumped up :v:
See ya!
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Re: Szczecin, Poland - Fenix battlegroup topic

by Stiopa » December 19th, 2014, 12:28 pm

This means we might end with 6 players, 3 tables if Radek will play at least one round.

Oh boy, are we the hot stuff or what :cool:
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Re: Szczecin, Poland - Fenix battlegroup topic

by Errhile » December 19th, 2014, 4:24 pm

With a Spoils tournament being run at the same time, I doubt we'll be able to set them up.

Also, I'm rather convinced we don't have terrain for 3 tables right now!
They say there will be Heaven and the Fount of Kausar,
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Re: Szczecin, Poland - Fenix battlegroup topic

by Szorstki Fred » December 19th, 2014, 6:38 pm

Errhile wrote:With a Spoils tournament being run at the same time, I doubt we'll be able to set them up.

Also, I'm rather convinced we don't have terrain for 3 tables right now!

Since I'm running Spoils, let me assure you we will fit just fine :D
As for the terrain... we'll just play on more spread out tables (also I'll bring what I took for painting).

Besides, we play for fun, so whatever! We'll be fine.
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Re: Szczecin, Poland - Fenix battlegroup topic

by Stiopa » December 19th, 2014, 6:58 pm

How many of our players will be distracted by Spoils? :P

I also contacted Jonasz, but he can't make it.
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Re: Szczecin, Poland - Fenix battlegroup topic

by Szorstki Fred » December 19th, 2014, 7:00 pm

Stiopa wrote:How many of our players will be distracted by Spoils? :P

I also contacted Jonasz, but he can't make it.

Only Radek, he's got illusions of grandeur :lol:
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Re: Szczecin, Poland - Fenix battlegroup topic

by Stiopa » December 19th, 2014, 7:01 pm

It's only expected, he plays Yu Jing :lol:
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Re: Szczecin, Poland - Fenix battlegroup topic

by Szorstki Fred » December 19th, 2014, 7:46 pm

Just confirmed with Darek, we'll have more space than 2 tables, just in case :3:
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Re: Szczecin, Poland - Fenix battlegroup topic

by Stiopa » December 20th, 2014, 6:26 pm

Ok, that was nice, most of us were having fun, I hope we can do that on a regular basis (maybe minus the Trzepanie Freda part, I'm sure both Fred and his opponents will appreciate that :P )

Pity about losing to Radek, but I must talk to him about his counting skills, he overshot on his SWC and shouldn't have all that killyness on table. Oh well, got to pay attention next time.
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Re: Szczecin, Poland - Fenix battlegroup topic

by ewok40k » December 20th, 2014, 6:32 pm

-N3 is definitely nice, though lack of many units is felt.
-Multi weapons are sure useful to bash through doors, though sniper rifles fare much better at it than than standard rifles.
-Rushing a mine equipped unit into objective room and turning it into deathtrap is definitely a winner move!
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Re: Szczecin, Poland - Fenix battlegroup topic

by Errhile » December 20th, 2014, 6:42 pm

BTW we played it quite wrong, Ewok.

Doors taken to STR 0 are Damaged.
Doors taken below STR 0 are Destroyed.

And I couldn't have drawn LoF thorough it.

Yup, it was damn nasty...
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Re: Szczecin, Poland - Fenix battlegroup topic

by Radek » December 20th, 2014, 8:03 pm

Guilang - assault hacking device - 31 pts 0,5 SWC
Guilang, bording shotgun - 24pts 0 SWC
3* Zhanshi, combi (one Lt) - - 3*11pts 0 SWC
Tiger Soldier, spitfire - 32 pts 1,5 SWC
Ninja Sniper - 42 pts 1,5 SWC
Husong HMG - 25 1SWC
Monk - 5pts 0SWC
Chaiyi - 8pts 0 SWC


so 200 points and 4,5 SWC yep i cheated good thing i was not in tournament, as i forgot to write hacker SWC, for mine defense at least Husong did nothing in game so 1 SWC was not "used"

All in all next time i would like it to be on different time than Spoils tournament and maybe after few casual games to get more into 3 ed?

Also checking list would be great before game as without army builders we are more likely to make mistakes. maybe someone who can't play would check lists?

As for tournaments, Archon likes competition so after WH 40k Team Championships we should give him a little push to get into game.

All in all hackers are good but shotguns are better ;p
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Re: Szczecin, Poland - Fenix battlegroup topic

by Stiopa » December 20th, 2014, 8:19 pm

Having a TR drone blocking half of the backfield did influence my options, so it's not like the drone was useless :P But what won you that game was Guilang BS. My infiltrators aren't that cheap, unfortunately...

This was a casual event, so I didn't bother checking the lists. Should we do another one I'll arrange it so all will be properly calculated. A few games to learn new rules won't hurt, we saw multiple examples of this today. I should be free right after Christmas, so if someone's up for a Saturday game - let me know.
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Re: Szczecin, Poland - Fenix battlegroup topic

by ewok40k » December 21st, 2014, 1:31 am

unless something bad happens, count me in next Saturday!
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Re: Szczecin, Poland - Fenix battlegroup topic

by Pierzasty » December 21st, 2014, 1:51 am

Stiopa wrote:Trzepanie Freda


What. :what:
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Re: Szczecin, Poland - Fenix battlegroup topic

by Stiopa » December 21st, 2014, 1:54 am

And it was going on for two hours... with a rulebook... 300 pages of instructions... :lol:
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Re: Szczecin, Poland - Fenix battlegroup topic

by ewok40k » December 21st, 2014, 5:57 am

Stiopa wrote:And it was going on for two hours... with a rulebook... 300 pages of instructions... :lol:

"and everyone was watching"
:P
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Re: Szczecin, Poland - Fenix battlegroup topic

by Szorstki Fred » December 21st, 2014, 11:39 am

I had a great time!
Seeing almost everyone playing together was very nice - both in Christmas spirit & celebrating N3.
Damn fine time, really sorry I had to go so soon.

I kinda expected a regular beating from Errhile, so no biggie ;)
However, dices have really turned around when I have faced off with Stavogrin.

One suggestion I would like to make - and sorry about snapping off at you for this Ewok - could we possibly try and play on more varied tables? Varied in the means of terrain density.
Play a game on our regular table (2-storey buildings, containers, short fire corridors) and then on the "spanish" table - more spread out/lower structures with open fields.
Just to have some diversity and training in different conditions.

I'm up for more games after New Year's Eve (gotta get some one-on-one time with new book).
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Re: Szczecin, Poland - Fenix battlegroup topic

by Szorstki Fred » December 21st, 2014, 11:43 am

ewok40k wrote:
Stiopa wrote:And it was going on for two hours... with a rulebook... 300 pages of instructions... :lol:

"and everyone was watching"
:P

Fun times all around!
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Re: Szczecin, Poland - Fenix battlegroup topic

by Errhile » December 21st, 2014, 11:44 am

...but wasn't it feeling awkward to call in Stiopa for advice every 5 minutes of it...?

;)
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Re: Szczecin, Poland - Fenix battlegroup topic

by Szorstki Fred » December 21st, 2014, 11:48 am

Errhile wrote:...but wasn't it feeling awkward to call in Stiopa for advice every 5 minutes of it...?

;)

No.
What was weird though was getting a buddy shotgunned despite winning the face to face roll :curious:
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Re: Szczecin, Poland - Fenix battlegroup topic

by Errhile » December 21st, 2014, 12:02 pm

Well, it definitely is different than what we were used to in 2ed. I'm not sure if it is more or less realistic, but I guess I get how CB got there.

Keep in mind it will be working just the same with round template weapons like grenades. From a logical / realistic standpoint, it looks like that:
I throw a grenade into a group of you an four of your buddies. You shoot back.
Now, if I throw it properly (passed my attack roll) it will land where I intended, otherwise it will scatter (and since grenades in Infinity are so smart, IFF won't allow it to explode then).
All five of you decide to shoot back. If all of you manage to best me (beat my attack roll) then the grenade is thrown off-target and does not explode (it is actually thrown, as it would've been spent if it was a Disposable weapon). If not, those who did bested me won't be catched in the blast.

...weird...

But well, that are the new rules. Less realism in them, more playability. I guess I can live with that.
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Re: Szczecin, Poland - Fenix battlegroup topic

by Stiopa » December 21st, 2014, 12:37 pm

Some of the rules make for much faster and smoother gameplay. Ties cancelling each other immediately - no need to calculate who's got bigger... attribute. AD troops going off course exactly 16 inches - maybe less realistic, but much faster to play, and makes Combat Jump even more high risk - high reward tactic. TO Camo still works against TR remotes, even with FtF. Anybody tried the new Coordinated Order?
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Re: Szczecin, Poland - Fenix battlegroup topic

by Szorstki Fred » December 21st, 2014, 12:41 pm

Don't get me wrong. This rule is fine, just shocking when getting surprised with it for the first time.
Soldier who faced the shotgun blast managed to dodge and shoot back. His buddy facing the other way around was less lucky.
Quite logical in my book, as the shotgun blast was already fired and whoever wasn't quick enough on their feet would get the full force of it.
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Re: Szczecin, Poland - Fenix battlegroup topic

by Stiopa » December 21st, 2014, 12:50 pm

True, it's more logical, only new and needs getting used to it. Same for grenades/missile launchers. But especially shotguns will wreak havoc now.

I might miss dispersion on thrown weapons and Speculative fire, though. Still, it makes for a faster game too.
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