How to kill tags with morats?

[Spellscape]

Hi all

In 1 day we will have tournament and almost all opponents will have Avatar, Marut, Salamandra or other tags.

Is there any proven way to stop them with morats?

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GROUP 1 7 0 0

MARUT Lieutenant (Strategos L3) MULTI HMG, Heavy Flamethrower, Nanopulser / AP CCW. (3 | 122)
MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (16)
MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (16)
SOPHOTECT Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (31)
YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (3)
NETROD Electric Pulse. (4)
NETROD Electric Pulse. (4)
NETROD Electric Pulse. (4)

3 SWC | 200 Points

Open with Army 4

or COMBINED ARMY
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GROUP 1 6 0 0

ÍMETRON Electric Pulse. (4)
ÍMETRON Electric Pulse. (4)
AVATAR Lieutenant (Strategos L3) MULTI HMG, Heavy Grenade Launcher, Sepsitor, Nanopulser / EXP CCW. (2 | 152)
IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (9)
IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (9)
KURGAT Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (20)

2 SWC | 198 Points

Open with Army 4

[Penemue]

Shoot them a bunch of times, preferably while they are out of cover. You also need to find a way to get rid of the Avatar's ODD (use Fire ammo or MSV2) before you start shooting it.

The Kurgat Autocannon might be a good idea, but not as your main threat. An HMG in a link would be a good idea, as would a Multi-Sniper. The Marut and Avatar are both really nasty TAGs to bring, and I feel bad that you have to put up with them at 200 points.

Another option (and a better one): shoot their order generators. Both of those armies have so much dead weight (models that cannot fight back), and a Rasyat would be really useful to you, so that you can get to all the hidden orders.

Another option: hide. Both of these lists have 5-7 orders, which means TAGs may only be able to kill one or two of your models if you hide really well. This isn't the best option, but you can combine it with the other ones to help you out.

Another option: let their TAGs kill you, and run off the board before your opponent can score points. I know this is hard to do with Morats, but if you lose all of your models EXCEPT for your Specialist (or take ONLY specialists), your opponent will be forced to let you walk up and score points, or else end the game with very few points of his own.

[Spellscape]

Is Anyat good as alternative kill option?

[Penemue]

Is Anyat good as alternative kill option?

I'm not sure. What about Anyat seems good to you, for this job?

[Spellscape]

K1 ammo?

[Spellscape]

Also these lists are for Annihilation games

[Penemue]

Sure, K1 ammo would work wonders. Put Anyat in a Vanguard link and watch the fun happen.

Is the entire tournament Annihilation? That seems...silly.

[Spellscape]

No just 1 game but we have 2 lists - I'm showing only the hard ones

[ToadChild]

Remember that 4 of the possible 10 points in Annihilation come from your classified objectives. Those lists will score crap for Classifieds; even if you do a mediocre job of living/killing, 4 points from completing yours will give you a big leg up.

The Kurgat Autocannon is a beautiful model who can sometimes pull off an amazing shot, but is not a mathematically sound basis for an offensive force. Feel free to disregard this sort of advice if it is not in line with how you like to play.

[Penemue]

The Kurgat Autocannon is a beautiful model who can sometimes pull off an amazing shot, but is not a mathematically sound basis for an offensive force. Feel free to disregard this sort of advice if it is not in line with how you like to play.

Yeah, it wasn't my suggestion that the Kurgat Auto serve as the basis for an offensive play against TAGs. It's good to have waiting in the wings, though, just in case. Plus, added bonus - it's an Engineer for objective purposes.

[Harlekin]

- Q-Drone with Plasma (Mimetism)
- Yaogat (Panzerfausts and MSV3)
- Daturazis (get a bunch of those in CC for autohit and crits on something like 13+)
- Hungries (see Dats)
- Linked MSR/ML/BS
- Anyat (most preferably linked to Vanguards)
- Rasyat for Zero-V plus los of 1 or 2 STR in CC
- Sogarat Feuerbach
- (Linked) HMG/Mk12 (Power 15 is never to be underestimated)
- DTWs like double LFT or mines - even a TAG fails and ARM roll every now and then)
- M-Drone + T-Drone (GuidedML is always good versus TAGs)
- Raicho (fight fire with fire)

Morats are just as capable to deal with TAGs as everybody else.

[Tox]

Use Ko Dali to EAT their Order base?
NOMNOMNOMNOM!!!

[Spears]

Just punk their order pool, those lists are terribly one dimensional and any assault on their backfield should decimate them.

[Harlekin]

Use Ko Dali to EAT their Order base?
NOMNOMNOMNOM!!!

KoDali can't be deployed in a MAF force.

I thought the thread was about killing TAGs with Morats, not about handling lists with TAGs...

[Guarda de Assalto]

Linked missile launcher would certainly do the trick.

[MarcoSkoll]

I'm mostly wondering why you have access to those lists.

It's not the kind of thing that should be shared between players, and the ethical approach when it comes to being a TO playing in their own event would be to absolutely minimise the advantage from being able to check the other players' lists - certainly not tailoring lists based on what other people are bringing.

[Spellscape]

Because always hard not to know lists of players from your club
Anyway they have mine.
Maybe lists will not be exactly the same but I know models they have and that they will use TAGS.

[MarcoSkoll]

Because always hard not to know lists of players from your club

Ha! Many of the players I know, I could only hope to guess what will be in their lists.

However, if you are gambling on TAGs being in most of the lists...

- yeah, Anyat is a fairly safe bet. K1 will happily shred a TAG in a burst or two, and there's also possibly merit in lobbing an E/M grenade over a wall.
- A decent HMG can make a mess too - my gamble might be the Q-Drone. Solid in action and reaction, and if you bring the Monofilament mines version, you can really limit their avenues of approach.
- Smoke isn't bad either (although you'll need Zero-V to foil the Marut).
- Hit their orders. With expensive TAGs in 200 pt lists, this will absolutely hamstring them. Rasyats will do nicely.

Beyond that, try to make sure you can complete classifieds. It's four out of ten points in Annihilation, which, if you take out their TAG and complete all of your objectives, it makes it very hard for them to beat you. They'll struggle to get in more than maybe one or two specialist, so they'd have a hard time even if you didn't take them out (hint, hint).

[Pierzasty]

Is there any proven way to stop them with morats?

Apply Yaogat link to TAG until you run out of Panzerfaust ammo. By that time even an Avatar should be dead. It helps that a full Yaogat link and 2 chain Daturazis is almost exactly 200 points

[Spambot]

Dunno about you guys, but I reckon we should be giving tactics advice not "take X unit to beat Y unit"...

[Micky]

Take out their order pool, this is the absolute best tactic for dealing with big nasties. If you have flamethrowers, use them to help remove their defensive advantages before hitting them hard with massed firepower. Hide from them in your reactive turn - you need the advantage of extra shots to deal with their superior weaponry and BS.