FO into CC

[ibanezmark]

The next situation happened in our last game:

I had the classified objective: Telemetry.
By the end of the game I still hadn't done this classified objective. So I wanted to accomplish it.
The only 2 units my friend had on the board where 2 Domaru Butais, both engaged with 1 Celestial Guard each.

My Mu Wing FO walk towards the Domaru Butai and ends his first movement skill 8"-10" away from them.
As my second short skill I wanted to Forward Observe 1 Domaru.

Do I also apply the -6 MOD for shooting into close combat?

According to the rules you apply a -6 to the BS Attack for each Ally (in this case only 1 ally) (page 34 of the rulebook)
Forward Observe is a form of attack with a BS Weapon using the WIP attribute (page 78).
So the question is if this is a BS Attack or a WIP attack?

What kind of AROs can the Domaru do?
Can he also shoot back from the engaged state?

[Errhile]

Forward Observer is a WIP-based BS attack. So - you use WIP (and not BS) as the base for the roll, but all the rules are applied as if it was a normal shooting.

Yes, you get the -6 to hit (the good side of it is that even if you hit oyur ally, you won't harm him).

IMO, the only thing the Domaru can do in ARO is to Dodge. He's in CC, so he can't shoot.

[ibanezmark]

Thanks

[Lone_Pathfinder]

It follows: Is the marked unit easier to hit in CC once he is marked?

[Icchan]

IMO, the only thing the Domaru can do in ARO is to Dodge. He's in CC, so he can't shoot.

The Domaru wouldn't be able to do anything, because Dodge requires LoF and in Engaged state he only has LoF to the models he is engaged with.
Dodge, CC or Reset (in ARO) are the only allowed skills in Engaged state. CC can't target anything outside of the engagement and Reset doesn't help against FO.

[Icchan]

It follows: Is the marked unit easier to hit in CC once he is marked?

No. Targeted state bonus only applies to BS attacks. He would be easier to shoot though
It's a shame all Guided weapons fire templates in Guided mode (even the guided multi sniper), so you could shoot the bastard with missiles while he's in melee and unable to dodge.

[Claudius Sol]

IMO, the only thing the Domaru can do in ARO is to Dodge. He's in CC, so he can't shoot.

The Domaru wouldn't be able to do anything, because Dodge requires LoF and in Engaged state he only has LoF to the models he is engaged with.
Dodge, CC or Reset (in ARO) are the only allowed skills in Engaged state. CC can't target anything outside of the engagement and Reset doesn't help against FO.

If you performed the FO within 8" of the target, the target could attempt to dodge lacking the LoF normally required at PH-3, right?

[Icchan]

No, Dodge always requires LoF. Change Facing has the 8" ZoC requirement, but that's not an allowed skill while you're engaged. So there is literally nothing the Domaru can do against ballistic attacks if he's engaged.

[TanKoL]

Sooo ... how do you dodge incoming Speculative Fire if you always need LoF to dodge ?

edit: because I don't remember all the rules (A trooper may attempt to Dodge a Template Weapon without
LoF to the attacker, by passing a PH-3 Roll)

[Claudius Sol]

Goddamnit. I keep forgetting the -3 PH Dodge is only for template weapons.

[Bobman]

Sooo ... how do you dodge incoming Speculative Fire if you always need LoF to dodge ?

edit: because I don't remember all the rules (A trooper may attempt to Dodge a Template Weapon without
LoF to the attacker, by passing a PH-3 Roll)

This is true. I didn't mention it as LoF is a requirement under the dodge skill but has a separate bullet point for this situation.

[Errhile]

Goddamnit. I keep forgetting the -3 PH Dodge is only for template weapons.

Don't worry, you aren't the only one with this problem.