Reverend Healer

[Aikuchi]

Mimetism does only work on BS attacks. Unless you know something we don't know?

From the Wiki:
In game terms, any miniature attacking a figure with Mimetism will have a -3 Modifier to his BS Attribute for ranged attacks

Nope, just a noob, not knowing what hes talking about. Thanks for the correction.

[Mistake Not]

Reverend Healer has Mimetism therefore Moiras are getting Mimetism?
That's long-jumping to quite the conclusion.

[McNamara]

Maybe, maybe not. It just doesn't make sense to give it to one but not the other.

The Myrmidons and there Officers all have ODD too. Not one exception. And they even streamlines Patroclus.

[Errhile]

Reverend SinEaters are (in 2ed) Mimetic, too.

I like the way having a Mimetic Healer in a Link of ODD Moiras / Custodiers will make her the weak link and force the player to keep her safe - yes, having a Doc in your team is a powerful bonus, but you have to be carefyul with her, as she's the one who is easiest to hit...

[McNamara]

TBH I always found it ODD for the Sin Eater too, but he is 1st not a Reverend and second ODD on him would be insane!

[Errhile]

Both good points

[Lampyridae]

Agreed on Moira hacker, CB would never scrap a model either. Though I really think she will drop in points or perhaps get something to make her while taking.

Ultimate cyberwarfare link of Custodiers, like the sound of that!! And by all info at hand it sure looks like it has happened.

Looking at the way the profiles have been changed, Custodiers may go to WIP 14 BTS 6. Moiras may just be WIP 14 BTS 3. BTS is much more common and powerful now. I expect the cost of hacking devices to drop. Multi Rifles have already seen a huge points drop... they are now only 2-4 points more expensive than a Combi as opposed to being the same price as an HMG.

Just had a thought: ODD plus Boarding Shotgun +6. Ouch. Now I know why I love the BS Custodier so much.

Actually in the end of the video Bostria says something in the lines of Father Knight and Reverend facing each other in cinematic fight, BOTH equally leathal in close combat. Kind of suprise me as I would expect father to easily kiss Reverends ass goodbye at hand to hand combat hahaha. Nevertheless perhaps she this could be true that she has a nice cc profile as well, we know she got EXP cc which was not expected

This could be Bostria just Bostriaing. Remember when he was showing off the Anaconda? Wasn't sure if it had a Panzerfaust, Blitzen or whatever.

[Icchan]

Looking at the healer's stats, wondering why would you take one when you can have for almost the same points the superior Avicenna?
6" faster movement, NWI, +3 WIP. All the important stats for a doc.

The healer seems like a swiss army knife being jack-of-all trades, but a master of none. For almost the same points, a Custodier is a better shooter (because ODD), she has a close combat weapon and a pretty high CC stat, but no close combat skills. As a doctor she's outclassed by Avicenna.
Now, if she was linkable with either Moiras or Custodiers or both, then she would be handy as you could tag her along with your link team and heal the fireteam leader should she happen to fall to a random ARO.

[IJW Wartrader]

Linking with Moiras has already been mentioned in one of the videos. Also, as much as I love Avicenna as a unit, BS13 and Mimetism makes the Reverend Healer substantially better in firefights. Although the movement and NWI are great...

[Mistake Not]

In Bakunin, she's there to link. And maybe be a secondary doctor while Avicenna is out winning the game.
In vanilla.. what Avicenna?

Plus what IJW said, she's much better at shooting it out.

[MarcoSkoll]

Now, if she was linkable with either Moiras or Custodiers or both

"Both" is the story going around.

However, I wouldn't write her off even unlinked.
- Mimetism is a fair boost for a doctor (only currently available to KTS and Posthumans), and doesn't tempt you to try and risk healing yourself, unlike NWI.
- She's BS 13. There are only two Doctors with a better BS (the Asawira and Hospitaller) and only three that match it. This will make her one of the more shooty specialists going around.
- In Vanilla, where Avicenna is not an option, she beats Daktari's WIP. And remember, here, Zondbots won't break a link, so her speed is less of an issue.
- Religious. Although we don't yet know what all of this will mean, it's likely to let her continue healing when other units are running around in chaos.
- Explosive CCW means she can destroy crates in Lifeblood, and CC 19 means almost no chance of missing.

[IJW Wartrader]

Ooh yes, I missed that last point.

[Icchan]

Linking with Moiras has already been mentioned in one of the videos. Also, as much as I love Avicenna as a unit, BS13 and Mimetism makes the Reverend Healer substantially better in firefights. Although the movement and NWI are great...

Linking was mentioned, but not confirmed. Specifically Bostria said that being a Reverend Healer, she's the doctor for the Moiras and Custodiers. From what I understood, that means as part of the Observancy. Custodiers are the e-war specialists, Moiras the assault unit, Sin-Eaters the garrison defenders and Healers would be the doctors.
I'm too much of a skeptic to draw a conclusion from that obscure statement they would be linkable with Moiras and/Custodiers.

Good points from MarcoSkoll, certainly raises her value in my eyes.

[IJW Wartrader]

That's not how I understood it, but we'll just have to wait and see.

[Willowran]

Now, if she was linkable with either Moiras or Custodiers or both

"Both" is the story going around.

However, I wouldn't write her off even unlinked.
- Mimetism is a fair boost for a doctor (only currently available to KTS and Posthumans), and doesn't tempt you to try and risk healing yourself, unlike NWI.
- She's BS 13. There are only two Doctors with a better BS (the Asawira and Hospitaller) and only three that match it. This will make her one of the more shooty specialists going around.
- In Vanilla, where Avicenna is not an option, she beats Daktari's WIP. And remember, here, Zondbots won't break a link, so her speed is less of an issue.
- Religious. Although we don't yet know what all of this will mean, it's likely to let her continue healing when other units are running around in chaos.
- Explosive CCW means she can destroy crates in Lifeblood, and CC 19 means almost no chance of missing.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

[ToadChild]

And even with that hypothetical bonus, CC is not a great option for the Healer, unless something has changed dramatically. Its really just a defense skill on her.
The Father Knight seems to not have no MA Skill though, so that might be an idication of them changing it. But than again, over 20 means hit automatically hits too.

The Father Knight does have an unknown Assault skill, though. CC clearly must change, but they don't seem interested in spoiling it just yet.

[Willowran]

And even with that hypothetical bonus, CC is not a great option for the Healer, unless something has changed dramatically. Its really just a defense skill on her.

Well. Outside of CC-ing objectives with EXP ammo, as Macroskull noted. I'd say the weapon is worth it just for that.

[McNamara]

Its ITS though, so it might change in a few month.

[BakuninLover]

So now that the profile has landed what do we think, Is she just what the doctor ordered?

I think she is a very welcome addition to the Moiras and Custodiers!! She will do her job as a specialist and doctor for those links. That is what is really important, all the rest is icing on the cake at this point.

Though a bit perplexed over "only" mimitism, that's for sure. Feels wrong as all other reverends has it. Also with new rangebands and better MSV1 I think ODD is a bit nerfed anyways. Having a bit hard time to think that she lost it over some balance issue...

I had hoped for some additional new skill perhaps but at least we got a new editon weapon, the breaker pistol.

[MarcoSkoll]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

Yeah. While she's not not exactly the prophesised super-doctor (my shares in Bourak based pharmaceutical companies are staying where they are for now), I wouldn't be at all disappointed to have access to her in Haqq; she's really got potential as a specialist.

[Micky]

How long til regular people start cracking open the Icestorm intro rules? We might finally get to see what the Assault rule and the Breaker pistols do, since they're on some of the troop profiles.

[Icchan]

Apparently Assault and Breaker pistol rules are not in the O:I rules.

[IJW Wartrader]

Yeah, they're just listed in the 'full' profiles as equipment/skill names and nothing more.

[chromedog]

Something to wait for the FULL N3 rules then. They'd be fools to give it ALL away before they're out.

So far, I've seen nothing that would make me WANT to use the QSR over them - but I'm not a "gotta have it naaaoow!" fanatic peat member - the demos I do don't even use QSR for 2nd ed (don't have the models for their lists, anyway).

[csjarrat]

breaker pistols are B2 viral pistols.
assault skill allows move-move-CC at -3 to CC stat (providing order begins in LOF of model you end up in CC with)

[ewok40k]

I have decided to get her, via second-hand market of Icestorm leftovers...
5th ranger to Moiras link other than costly Kusanagi, and 14 wip doctor inside a link

[Lampyridae]

Kusanagi will probably also get a points drop, 4 or 5 points for the Multi Rifle and getting a range buff with her E/M Grenades. Still pricey but I think the basic Moiras will also get a points drop across the board since Myrmidons are still much cheaper and faster with their Frenzy "Discount."

[Icchan]

I should hope so. Basically now the only reason to take Moiras in Bakunin is for the HMG. Only three models in Bakunin sectorial can use it and one of them shoots 1B in active turn, the other is made of wet paper. A Moira hacker is absolutely insane and is no of no use to anyone.

[Blaze]

N3 is here so i want to ask about combinations with reverend guys.

1. Can i make mixed link with moiras, healer and custodier? It have sense, no idea if hacking breaks the link.
2. What is your favourite link and for whatnyou use them
3. What do you think about sin eaters and prowlers, they seems very situational and expensive.
4. Your choose would be to get first morlocks(they are4 in packs?) or zond remote pack which give you so many remote to proxy. I want to spent my money wisely.

My shoping cart right now:
INF 0174 Avicenna (Doctor)
INF 0129 Zero (Combi Rifle, E/Mauler) x2
INF 0246 Bran do Castro (DA CCW)
INF 0265 Bakunin Jurisdictional Force (Nomads Sectorial Starter Pack)
INF 0302 Reverend Custodiers (Hacker, Combi Rifle + Marker)
INF 0340 Reverend Custodiers (Boarding shotgun)
Reverend Moiras
Caasandra Kusanagi (MULTI Rifle + Light Flamethrower, Shock CCW)
Zonds Remote

Actualy can only swap somethings, not much money to spend right now.

Thanks for help

[advi]

To 1.: The Profiles List for N3 states that you can have a Healer in a Custodier or Moira Link. You cannot mix and match. However that might be possible with a Moira Link and Kusanagi. There is no real ruling on that. So you could take:

Kusanagi
Rev. Healer
3 Moiras

I don't know if that works, but I would be very happy if it did.

To 2: Have not tried links, I played vanilla up until now.

To 3: Sin Eaters are marvellous. They are able to shut down complete parts of boards or fire lanes. Especially the HMG and Spitfire is nice. In my eyes the Prowler is a useful infiltrating Camo-unit with pretty specialised weapons. I also think they're situational, but the Spitfire version is pretty nasty. Going to try that one soon.

To 4: I would take the Zonds and in fact have so. I have no Morlocks, but an Überfallkommando which I still have to test as well.
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