'Murica!

[Claudius Sol]

Just noticed the new board. Couldn't leave it barren and empty.

... And it had to be said.

[Scorch]

Just noticed the new board. Couldn't leave it barren and empty.

... And it had to be said.

Let's hope to see it filled up with more people soon!

[MarcoSkoll]

'Murica!

Sounds like someone needs some holes poked in their patriotism.

So let's go with this one: Contrary to what some Americans like to claim, the USA does not have the oldest constitution in the world.
The United Kingdom has an uncodified constitution with elements which date back to the original Magna Carta in 1215; for example, Clause 39, which grants the right to due process, is still in force nearly eight centuries on.

[Claudius Sol]

'Murica!

Sounds like someone needs some holes poked in their patriotism.

So let's go with this one: Contrary to what some Americans like to claim, the USA does not have the oldest constitution in the world.
The United Kingdom has an uncodified constitution with elements which date back to the original Magna Carta in 1215; for example, Clause 39, which grants the right to due process, is still in force nearly eight centuries on.

You know what I have to say to that?

Only 'Murica has the oldest constitution for FREEDOM!

You like your fish and chips with malt vinegar? Americans like it with a good ol' heaping side of LIBERTY.
When I arrive at a British airport and the customs officer asks me "Do you have anything to declare?" I nod triumphantly and shout "I DECLARE THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF-EVIDENT (cont.)...".

#freedom
#USAUSAUSAUSA

[MarcoSkoll]

You like your fish and chips with malt vinegar? Americans like it with a good ol' heaping side of LIBERTY.

Well, that explains the average American BMI...

I nod triumphantly and shout "I DECLARE THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF-EVIDENT (cont.)...".

Ah, you see, you can actually get away with that at British customs. Merely trying to get through US customs (particularly as a foreigner) is a bit like being subjected to the Spanish Inquisition.

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

[ElectricPaladin]

Bah. Don't talk to me about 'murica. My patriotism has been at the lowest ebb ever for years now. I kind of think my country would make a better parking lot. Maybe we should scrap the whole thing and try again.

[Hero of Man]

#ROCKYIV #USA #LOVEITORLEAVEIT



As a jaded ex-soldier, I still love being American; aside from any issues, political or social, I wouldn't trade her... especially compared to some of the alternatives I've seen.

Anyway, on Infinity;

I wish there was anyone less than an hour away from me in Oklahoma; I believe there is like a minimum fifty mile radius around my hometown where wargaming is generally unheard of. In fact, the only thing that is well recieved is most recently sorta Warmachine(eeeh), MTG(meh), and Pathfinder(uuuuuuuuuuugh).

[ElectricPaladin]

...especially compared to some of the alternatives I've seen...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwQAyskqG0g

[MacAttack001]

@MarcoSkoll

Yes, you are absolutely correct...there are no fat people in England.

[Scorch]

You like your fish and chips with malt vinegar? Americans like it with a good ol' heaping side of LIBERTY.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLIcFP0J5TY#t=85

[MarcoSkoll]

Yes, you are absolutely correct...there are no fat people in England.

I'm not English. I've got Welsh and Manx ancestry as well, so I consider myself British.

For two, I said "average". And on that note, the US BMI is 2nd highest in the world (beaten only by Kuwait). As such, an average 5' 10" male is 13 pounds heavier in 'Murica than Mercia*.

* An old Anglo-Saxon kingdom which, by a long and convoluted route**, eventually became part of the modern UK. It's still occasionally used as a geographical division.
** 527: Mercia -> 918: Wessex -> 1066: Kingdom of England -> 1707: the Kingdom of Great Britain -> 1800: the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland -> 1927: the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. (Although the Irish Free State actually withdrew in 1922, the UK's official name didn't change until five years later).

[MacAttack001]

So, you are saying that there are no fat people in Britain then? Really?

You seem like a very educated chap...so perhaps you might understand the significance of this date...

October 19, 1781

It's all right though...as we have since saved Britain twice from the Germans.

Speaking of poking holes in patriotism.

[MarcoSkoll]

So, you are saying that there are no fat people in Britain then? Really?

Average [av-er-ij, av-rij] Noun. A quantity intermediate to a set of quantities.

perhaps you might understand the significance of this date... October 19, 1781

On more levels than one.

The American Revolutionary war was never something as simple as the US versus Great Britain. It's truer to think of it as a war between the US, France, Spain and Holland against Britain (and some assorted American loyalists), with a mess of Germans on both sides of the conflict. In many ways, it was a world war.

From there, it had other long reaching consequences, such as the French Revolution (brought on by the bankruptcy of fighting a war in both the Americas and Europe), then then of course lead to the Napoleonic Wars. Between that and the various conflicts that sprung up with the natives following the Treaty of Paris, we got the War of 1812... etc, etc, etc. It had a lot of significance to the shaping of the world, but not so much to patriotic posturing.

It's all right though...as we have since saved Britain twice from the Germans.

On the assumption you're referring to the World Wars - and a necessary assumption, as the American contribution to WWI wasn't huge. There were almost twice as many British troops as part of the Allied Powers as there were Americans, and that's to say nothing of the Russian Empire, French or Italians, all of whom also outnumbered the American forces, in some cases by massive margins.

The US made a larger (although still not the largest) contribution to the WWII allies in Europe, but again I think we find ourselves in a position where no single country can take the credit. The resistance in occupied France was vital, the Polish code-breakers first cracking the Enigma code (even if it would later be Bletchley Park that truly capitalised on it), Soviet stubbornness against Operation Barbarossa... it's a long list. The War in the Pacific is a bit different, but it's not exactly saving anyone from Germany.

In any case, the rationales behind the United States entering either World War were not benevolent. While many other parties in the wars were honouring and defending alliances, in both wars the US was only roused by attacks on its own interests.

[Scorch]

Yep, poking holes in patriotism.

[MacAttack001]

Wow, you actually took me seriously. Sorry about that I was just having some fun with you was all.

Your analysis of WW2 doesn't go very deep though. It wasn't simply a matter of warm bodies on the battlefields. The United States was a manufacturing powerhouse...although the Sherman tank was woefully lacking even compared to the Mark IV's.

In terms of sheer losses, the Russians by far sustained the greatest casualties (both civilian and military).

If it helps any I think Montgomery was one of the top Allied Generals, on par with Omar Bradley. Patton was incredibly over rated...especially by himself. The greatest Russian General...Winter. The Germans had many great generals fortunately for the rest of us...they were saddled with Hitler who was an idiot.

[Claudius Sol]

Wow, you actually took me seriously. Sorry about that I was just having some fun with you was all.

Your analysis of WW2 doesn't go very deep though. It wasn't simply a matter of warm bodies on the battlefields. The United States was a manufacturing powerhouse...although the Sherman tank was woefully lacking even compared to the Mark IV's.

In terms of sheer losses, the Russians by far sustained the greatest casualties (both civilian and military).

If it helps any I think Montgomery was one of the top Allied Generals, on par with Omar Bradley. Patton was incredibly over rated...especially by himself. The greatest Russian General...Winter. The Germans had many great generals fortunately for the rest of us...they were saddled with Hitler who was an idiot.

Oh, the things Rommel could have done if he was not under Hitler...

[Scorch]

Wow, you actually took me seriously. Sorry about that I was just having some fun with you was all.

Your analysis of WW2 doesn't go very deep though. It wasn't simply a matter of warm bodies on the battlefields. The United States was a manufacturing powerhouse...although the Sherman tank was woefully lacking even compared to the Mark IV's.

In terms of sheer losses, the Russians by far sustained the greatest casualties (both civilian and military).

If it helps any I think Montgomery was one of the top Allied Generals, on par with Omar Bradley. Patton was incredibly over rated...especially by himself. The greatest Russian General...Winter. The Germans had many great generals fortunately for the rest of us...they were saddled with Hitler who was an idiot.

Oh, the things Rommel could have done if he was not under Hitler...

Like not committing forced suicide? :p

[MacAttack001]

Rommel was a very good general, certainly not a timid soul. There is a fair amount of myth that developed around him. It certainly didn't hurt that his intelligence was very good (U.S. Colonel Fellers sending very thorough reports/analysis to Washington from Cairo with the broken Black Code and radio intercepts from von Mellenthin's Intelligence section).

The Germans had a lot of very good general's though, Guderian, Hoth, Heinrici, Model, von Manstein, Balck, von Rundstedt, and so forth.

[C-Dub]

Hero Of Man.......There is a community in Oklahoma City. We get together every other Saturday. Our facebook page is https://www.facebook.com/groups/640280242752105/. Come on out and join us if you can.

[C-Dub]

If you all want to get technical, The United States of America could not have won the Revolutionary War or had the war of 1812 without the French, Germans, and the Native American tribes. Also almost every war after WWII we as America have had European Allies. Native Americans have helped America every step of the way with their willingness to enlist and fight. They even helped in coding in WWII with the Navajo tribe and their language. The Canadians, Brits, and Scots all have done their parts. I just do not want to leave anyone out that have had their part in making the American experiment work.

America did help stifle Fascism, Nazism, and the whole Japanese Imperialism notions that threatened to cripple the entire world. Russia did help out and I did not give them credit where credit is due, they really pulled everyone's butts out of the fire in the final months of fighting in Europe. In fact some of the best snipers in WWII were Russian women.

I am of the mind frame that war sucks. Period. I hate that men, women, and children have to die for ideals and notions of grandeur.

Sometime war is necessary, but America as a nation, I think, should take a back seat to trying to police the world. We should focus, as I think, on the poverty in American cities, schooling the children, and making this nation the best cultural melting pot it is.

[MacAttack001]

As a Libertarian...I believe that the U.S. should have a powerful military dedicated to protecting the United States. In the same breath I would also state emphatically, that reducing our military spending to 2008 levels (when we were conducting combat operations in Iraq and Afghanistan) is completely reasonable.

Instead of sending our military all over the world, I would prefer to send goods and services, when goods and services cross borders armies don't.

It boggles the mind how those statements mark me as an Isolationist...as I interact with people from all over the world via the internet talking about miniatures and terrain products purchased from the far corners of the earth.

Digressing for a moment...

Ultimately, I don't think the Cold War ended as a result of the Western powers bankrupting the Soviet Union. Instead I subscribe to the line of thought that Western cultureinfiltrated communist states brought about a change in their people. It is why you hear radical islamists talk about limiting the influence of perverse Western culture. President Obama's decision to normalize relatioith Cuba...IMHO...will do far more for Cuban political prisoners than decades of isolationism has accomplished.

All of the 'Murica' hate that I find floating about in 1's and 0's, is no different than when other countries were the top dog. Spain had to contend with English and French privateers...I have put up with certain forum members.

[C-Dub]

I too am a registered Libertarian. For people from other countries, Libertarianism is an American political party that "seeks to maximize autonomy and freedom of choice, emphasizing political freedom, voluntary association and the primacy of individual judgment". On another forum I have been shot full of "holes" so I try not to talk politics, especially because that forum and this forum are dedicated to Infinity the game, and there are people from all over the world on here and I respect their views and political stances as I require they do the same for me.

[MacAttack001]

Being a Libertarian is kind of like being a fan of the Utah Jazz basketball team. They play basketball but nobody considers them to be a real threat.

[Hero of Man]

Hero Of Man.......There is a community in Oklahoma City. We get together every other Saturday. Our facebook page is https://www.facebook.com/groups/640280242752105/. Come on out and join us if you can.

While I really appreciate the invite, 180 miles in the middle of my work week is generally unlikely.

[Errhile]

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Ultimately, I don't think the Cold War ended as a result of the Western powers bankrupting the Soviet Union. Instead I subscribe to the line of thought that Western cultureinfiltrated communist states brought about a change in their people.

Forgive me to chime in, but I do not agree with the above. My perspective certainly was limited, but it definitely didn't seem like a cultural infiltration by the West here back in the 80's. Not for Johnny Average on this side of the Iron Curtain.
Economical matters, however, were pressing, and causing a lot of political unrest here. Whether this unrest being aditionally fuelled by CIA-supplied funds and equipment was an important factor or not, is another kettle of fish.

[MacAttack001]

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Ultimately, I don't think the Cold War ended as a result of the Western powers bankrupting the Soviet Union. Instead I subscribe to the line of thought that Western culture infiltrated communist states brought about a change in their people.

Forgive me to chime in, but I do not agree with the above. My perspective certainly was limited, but it definitely didn't seem like a cultural infiltration by the West here back in the 80's. Not for Johnny Average on this side of the Iron Curtain.
Economical matters, however, were pressing, and causing a lot of political unrest here. Whether this unrest being aditionally fuelled by CIA-supplied funds and equipment was an important factor or not, is another kettle of fish.

I respect your opinion and would only suggest you Google "Rock and roll and the fall of communism".

For myself, there is no denying the attraction to the concept that the United States need not deploy its military force around the globe to achieve a positive impact in the world.

[Errhile]

An interesting read indeed, thank you

[gamefreak180]

Team America World Police theme song that is all *drops Mic*